Romans 8:12-17 - Literal or Metaphor

Romans 8:12-17

So then brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh---for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba Father!" The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him in order that we may also be glorified with Him. 

Message: Literal or Metaphor - Finding Meaning

What the Lord is Saying: It is Friday morning, June 19, 2026. Juneteenth and as such a holiday for me, though I may still work some today. In the past 48 hours, in the midst of everything else going on in my life, on Thursday, I was directed to a video by Youtube in which a Mormon podcaster (opinion writer) is responding to a video by Allie Beth Stuckey in which she states that Mormons are not Christian. This isn't anything unusual for Allie Beth, but that video did get the ire of this Mormon podcaster and others as someone who represents Christianity is not backing down but being specific about Mormons not being including in the list of Christian denominations by a Department of Defense list on June 4, 2026 which was listing religious preference codes for military personnel. The DOD then revised that announcement on June 8, 2026, not by including Mormons as Christians, but simply listing all denominations separately. 

The first Mormon podcaster video was by a guy that had previously been on Allie Beth Stuckey's show that was labeled as a debate. I ended up posting a comment on the Mormon Podcaster's video page. As a note, I have been conversing with Mormons off and on over the last couple of years, meeting with them regularly, trying to understand first hand their beliefs. The conversations have been beneficial but a labor as it has been somewhat difficult to nail down their beliefs in person and in subsequent visits with other missionaries or other members of the LDS church pulled into the discussion, often as a mention what I learned previously, I am corrected. Now from their standpoint, they seem to know exactly where I stand in my beliefs as they are quick to agree with everything I state, and their beliefs are simply add-on's or upgrades. They often speak of my faith (and every other faith system) having partial truth or understanding and they have the full picture. 

Here is my comment: 

Well, Find me a Christian that believes:

- Children in Romans 8:16 is not a metaphor

- that non-Christians can go to heaven

- hold to an after life Spirit School World that gives everyone an opportunity to know CJCLDS / JS true prophet is really the only way

- that studies the New Testament corporately in their church once every 4 years

- that happiness is the object and design of our existence

This isn't simply 'full' vs 'partial' -- no, this is different and different is not Christian at least according to our definition, but hey, the definition for heaven, gospel, salvation, God, Jesus, Fall - are all different so why not Christian. 

Now, you all definitely have the good works and God definitely wants us to do good deeds, so here's hoping for your sake that good works (after all we can do) and atonement work collaboratively instead of good works being the natural response of the person saved by grace.

Granted, my comment was a jab. While Allie Beth focused on Trinity and Baptism and the podcaster did an admirable job defending those remarks, I felt like putting forth some items that I see as clear differences that separate the faiths and whereby I don't think that LDS theology is an upgrade. 

Thus far, no one has commented on my post. 

Later on, on the same page, I saw this comment: "If there was no Apostasy, then there is no need for the Protestant church, but if there was an Apostasy, then the Protestant church was built on that Apostasy." This is defending the Apostasy idea. I took a moment to look up Apostasy definition and it that definition speaks to renunciation of a religion. Yet, it seems the reformation didn't want to wash away the previous faith, just remove the idea that grace and works have sort of a handshake relationship in resulting in salvation. Thus my comment in response stated, "That is true. The Protestant church argued that the Catholic Church had replaced grace alone thinking with grace plus works (i.e. after all we can do)." I have since received 4 likes for this post and my guess is people don't understand that I am one again, making a dig in stating that by defending the notion of apostasy it is ironic because the Reformation wanted to move beyond grace + works and then Joseph Smith brought the idea back. But my comment is sort of cryptic. 

That was Wednesday. On Thursday evening, at home, I saw a different LDS video podcaster. This one was more of a group mentality and was basically a roundtable discussion on defending LDS as Christian again in response to Allie Beth's most recent comment regarding DOD"s first announcement. I got through most of it. These guys or more contemporary, young, and their banter is appealing. Initially, I took some notes: 

• 14:08 - The host wonders if the BOM presents a gospel that usurps Allie Beth's comments of the previous gospel found in the NT. This is an interesting question as Allie Beth didn't call out the Book of Mormon but rather stated "What Mormons Believe." But the host focuses instead on the words of the Book of Mormon. I thought this was noteworthy because the Book of Mormon is not really a book that in general differentiates too much from the Bible. It is recorded that 1 in 12 chapters of the Book of Mormon and 1 in 7 verses are directly pulled from Joseph Smith's reading of the KJV. Thus, it might be easy to link the central concept of the gospel of Mormonism to the NT, but the fullness of the gospel goes way beyond the verses of the New Testament. 
• 19:03 - Here the hosts focus on the ideas of central and secondary. Good points. But then he starts to go in a familiar direction that Protestants aren't correct on the gospel as the New Testament presents it mentioning that faith alone originated in the Reformation and the previous faith thinkers did not hold to justification by faith alone, but instead justification and sanctification worked in tandem. This is a bold statement and not sure if it is true. Thinkers like Clement of Rome and John Chrysostom did write of justification by faith alone. And it is hard to dispute the verses of Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 3:28 when looking at those verses alone. 

That said, I awoke this morning with the video on my thoughts. I thought of adding this comment to the video: "You asked for comments from those not of 'The Church." I am not. In listening to your rebuttal it seems that on one hand you are stating that a Christian can simply be defined as a follower of Christ. Then later differentiating between central (I Cor. 15:1-4) and secondary (how it is received) definitions. In the secondary, then stating Protestants aren't even operating in the way Christ or the NT writers and early century believers practiced. Yet, still feeling a need to be under the umbrella of the Christian definition (which is predominantly post-Reformation denominations) and taking offense at anyone who might say otherwise. Why? Is it because Christians by their number represent the majority and Mormons one of the many minorities? Perhaps there is an agenda to align and then eventually show you are the only true Christian's? No faith system has a goal to simply play in the same sandbox but rather to be top dog."

Now, this morning in my daily quiet time I took time to first read Psalm 104, rally enjoying some of the metaphors as I am giving a lesson on July 5 in Sunday School on metaphors and preparing for that lesson, but also just really taken aback by this passage, thinking simply how God designed and ordained creation for us, for people. Even verse 15, "and food which sustains man's heart."  And in response the writer praises God. 

But then I turned to Romans 8, wanting to examine the metaphor I called attention to in verse 16. I took time to start with verse 1. Wow. These are some amazing verses. The first 11 verses speak of walking in the Spirit and "if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him." We must have the Spirit of Christ. But then in verse 12-17 states in verse 14, "all who are being led by the Spirit of God; these are the sons of God." The overwhelming theological interpretation of sons is that this is a metaphor. Then in verse 16 is "children of God" also a metaphor. The LDS folks believe this is literal. It struck me this morning, sitting under the Pergola the idea that these two beliefs are so sharply divided on interpretation. It saddens me. The division that is present. 

On one hand, questions like this simply rouse up two different camps. LDS I am sure has many professors, teachers, expositors that can defend their literal take, while non-LDS will have many to support this as a metaphor. The consequences or ramifications are plentiful. Both sides will claim the other is blinded to one perspective. 

Prayer: Lord, I look at these texts and thank you for them and yet hurt for the differences. I am reminded of your words to Paul in verse 7 that the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God. Help us all God to discern truth in this world that seems so confusing and has so many voices and help me to know how to keep my blinders on. On one hand I love the apologetics talk, but at times I struggle with it in a might way. Sometimes Lord I feel like I descend down rabbit trails and my brain is getting mixed up. Keep me anchored Lord and help me maybe to turn off the other views. 

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I Corinthians 10:1-11 - Explicit and Implicit Teaching

I Corinthians 10:1-11
1 For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, with most of them God was not well-pleased; for they were laid low in the wilderness.
6 Now these things happened as examples for us, so that we would not crave evil things as they also craved. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and stood up to play.” 8 Nor let us act immorally, as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in one day. 9 Nor let us try the Lord, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the serpents. 10 Nor grumble, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the destroyer.11 Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.
Message: Explicit and Implicit Teaching

Time: This epistle was written to the church that resided in Corinth of Achaia. First Corinthians is a response to a letter that Paul received from the Corinthian church, and that letter was probably a response to another of Paul's letters. This letter was composed in Ephesus around AD 54-55, and such topics as division, sexual immorality, lawsuits, marriage, Christian liberty, order of worship, and the resurrection are covered in this epistle.

What the Lord is Saying:

I continue to examine the different forms of literature that we have in our Bible. The Bible is the Word of God. It is God's special revelation to His people and it is the final revelation. The books that we have of the Canon are complete. This Word equips us to do every good work and apply every good thing in our lives. We can trust it. It is to be interpreted literally, but we also realize that there are different language types it has. There are non-literal ways lie phenomenological which describes things the way they appear, like the sun stood still and anthropomorphic language which describes God as having human attributes, like fingers and hands, though he is a spirit. Personification gives personal characteristics to impersonal entities like trees clapping their hands and mountains singing. Hyperbole exaggerates to make a point as the story of the mustard seed begins with this tiny seed and then grows so people can sit in it. Metaphor is a very common one to use a word for one thing that is meant for something else, like Jesus saying I am the door or the light.

All of this forms helps us to better understand what we are reading. The goal is to interpret texts correctly as religions have been started based upon interpretation and many of the different belief systems focus on different ways to interpret. Thus, as we study each passage it is the explicit, direct teaching of the passage that must control our interpretation of that passage.

By explicit instruction, we mean teaching where the instructor clearly outlines what the learning goals are for the reader, and offers clear, unambiguous explanations of the skills and information structures they are presenting. The text referenced here, I Corinthians 10 is an example of explicit teaching as Paul describes things in order that we would not crave evil things. He says Do not be idolaters...Nor let us act immorally...Nor let us try the Lord...nor grumble. These commandments are clear do's and don't in our Bible, and thus the teaching is explicit.

By implicit instruction, we refer to teaching where the instructor does not outline such goals or make such explanations overtly, but rather simply presents the information or problem to the student and allows the student to make their own conclusions and create their own conceptual structures and assimilate the information in the way that makes the most sense to them. An example of this from Scripture would be the telling of the resurrection of Jesus in the Gospels. All four gospels mentions this miracle that occurred - the presence of angels, a heavy stoned rolled away, the appearance of Jesus. None of the Gospels state that God raised Jesus from the dead but this is a natural conclusion. The doctrine of the Trinity would be another example of implicit instruction. Nowhere is that term used in scripture, but we have the Father, Jesus, and the Spirit all with the same God-like attributes. Thus, the instruction provides to us the conclusion of the three persons of God. 

Exodus 32:14 says that the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people. Now did the Lord really change His mind? Numbers 23:19 says - “God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good? So here Numbers says that God does not lie, so how could he change his mind? Numbers 23:19 is explicit teaching. Thus, the description in Exodus 32:14 of God changing his mind is anthropomorphic or giving us human attributes. God knew the plan and to us the appearance was that he changed his mind, but He knew what He would do all along. He does not change His mind like we change ours. 

Thus it is important to allow the explicit passages to help define the meaning of the implicit ones. Thus, the explicit teaching of Numbers 23:19 helps guide our learning of other scriptures. This is an important distinction where we need to understand the way the Bible is being written. 

Promise: It is common for belief systems to take implicit teachings and make them explicit but these explicit teachings contradict other teachings. If there are contradictions in scripture then our beliefs are shallow and we cannot believe anything it says. 

Prayer: Lord, again, thank you for this understanding. You are illuminating my understanding of Scripture. You are providing me the different language types in scripture that help shed light on the reading and understand of Your word. You are a great God. You never change. Help others to understand this teaching so that it can illuminate our understanding of You.

Note: I follow the readings from the Tabletalk Magazine devotional, though I am a little behind and working through 2017 devotionals. 2017 is a study of key biblical doctrines with February being about the doctrine of revelation and the various aspects of the doctrine of Scripture that sola Scriptura seeks to preserve.

Isaiah 55:12 - Personification, Hyperbole, and Metaphor

Isaiah 55:12
“For you will go out with joy
And be led forth with peace;
The mountains and the hills will break forth into shouts of joy before you,
And all the trees of the field will clap their hands.

Message: Personification, Hyperbole, and Metaphor

Time: Isaiah prophesied from 739–681 BC to a nation that had turned a deaf ear to the Lord. He wanted to see the nation of Judah return to serving God with humility and love for their neighbors. But he was called to pronounce judgments to on a people offering meaningless sacrifices in the Temple and committing injustices throughout the nation. It provides the most prophetic picture of Jesus in the entire Old Testament.

What the Lord is Saying:

As I spend this time talking about interpreting the Bible literally, I think about the language that is used in the Bible and the different types that are present. Yesterday, I looked an non-literary language or the idea that words sometimes have more than just their basic dictionary meeting and sometimes words mean something a little different from the literary definition. For some this can be confusing and cause people to think about texts in a different way. The Bible, if read incorrectly, can become different in its meaning.

The words of 2 Timothy 2:15 speak - Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. This is my desire, to accurately handle the word of Truth -- God's word. As I do this, I can be confident in the work I do each day to further the gospel.

Three more literary devices are examined today.

Personification uses personal characteristics for impersonal things. Society calls nature, Mother - as in Mother Nature. People refer to their cars as "he" or "she." Here in Isaiah 55:12 it says that the mountains and the hills will break forth into shouts of joy before you and all the trees of the field will clap their hands. Isaiah uses these words to help communicate the great joy that will result when God's people return to Him. These words are also found in Psalm 98:8 - Let the rivers clap their hands, Let the mountains sing together for joy. The deliverance of God's people yields a joy that is all over creation. It is all encompassing as it even effects objects that have no voices.

Hyperbole is the use of intentional exaggeration to make a point. This is not deception but again helping to provide a picture of what a person is feeling at a given time. I will often say that I am hungry enough to eat a horse. I am not saying that I am actually going to eat a horse, but if I did, a horse represents a lot of food and I am simply stressing my hunger. When Jesus gave the parable of the mustard seed in Matthew 13:31-32 he used this type of hyperbole. He talks about the mustard seed in a garden and when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches. He calls it smaller than all of the other seeds. But it isn't the smallest seed. He is showing that the kingdom of God starts out small as to almost invisible but then grows into a large realm. The gospel starts with a small group of men and we have now seen it grow and multiply across our world. God can take things that are little and multiply them. He has done this with this blog for he has built a community of people that encourage one another as they read the Jesus Calling devotional each day.

Metaphor is used by writers to designate one thing in order to designate another. Jesus says in John 10:7 - Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. Is Jesus literally a door? Is Jesus literally a light? No, but he uses these metaphors to help describe the entryway he is into our lives. Jesus often uses this door metaphor as described by John. In Revelation 3:20 he says, Behold I stand at the door and knock, if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. This explains to us that as we open the door or the window of our hear or our lives to God, he comes in. He enters into our lives and takes up a sort of ownership in our life. And into the kingdom there is only one door or only one entryway.

Promise: We should call attention to the different uses of language in the Bible that is used to help us better understand what it is saying.

Praying: Lord, thank you again for the clarity of Your Word and the way you speak and encourage me through language. Lord, in some ways we speak in a funny way, but we speak in order to communicate in a effective manner and help people understand. Lord, remove the blinders on people who think that You must fit into a box and only communicate in one way. Help people to see the truth of your message. Lord, you are true and complete. I pray that this language would help draw people closer to You.


Note: I follow the readings from the Tabletalk Magazine devotional, though I am a little behind and working through 2017 devotionals. 2017 is a study of key biblical doctrines with February being about the doctrine of revelation and the various aspects of the doctrine of Scripture that sola Scriptura seeks to preserve.